19 16v Lost key!!! HELP

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

i am writing this for a friend at work who does not have internet access.
He managed to lose the keys for his renault 19 16v (muppet).
He has the spare (without the built in fob). He only paid Â£200 for the car and would like to be able to remove the immobiliser??
is this possible? i have read through the forum and see you can input the code on the stalk and with the gas pedal???? is this true??
also if i need to go to renault whats the damage?? (as i may buy the car and repair myself!!
thanks in advance
mark

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

what immobiliser do you mean?

There is nothing to do with the immobiliser on the 19's key, just the remote central locking transmitter.

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

oh well he has lost the key with the central locking thing and it wont start????

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

did it have a seperate fob on the keyring for an aftermarket immobiliser?

Anyway, yes you can remove it, itll just be a case of doing the reverse of installing it.

What that will entail depends on what type of immobilser it is, but removing the trim panels from the dash etc for access, removing the immobiliser unit's wiring and re-splicing the original wiring together will do it.

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

no he tells me that it was the standard key he lost and now it wont start!
he says the car has no alarm??
any clues???

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

in what way wont it start?

Does it crank over?

Does it spark?

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

Actually, thinking about it, I take it the car is a phase 2? If so, the immobiliser may be built into the ECU, swap it for an early phase 2 or a phase 1 ECU and it might start fine.

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

he says it will crank.
and when he got it recovered home it did start but idled at about 2000rpm??
he was told by renault he would need a new key and recoding @ about Â£150???

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

tc3nitro wrote:

he was told by renault he would need a new key and recoding @ about Â£150???

Nah, worst case scenario is you have to get on ebay or find someone breaking a car and buy the key and central locking 'brain'.

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

so if i get hold of a phase 1 or 2 ECU it will work ok??
is it just a case of unplugging it?? if so where is it located??

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Behind the offside headlight. Can't miss it

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

right just spoke to a guy off here with an ECU from a phase 2 for sale!
he want Â£30 plus postage (about a fiver i recon).
just need to clarify this will deffo sort the problem as i think i am going to invest my money in this!
he says his car did not have an immobiliser is this right or do all ph 2 have immobiliser?
thanks for all your help and the quick replys looks like i will be a retro renault regular with any look and your good guidance!

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

tc3nitro wrote:

so if i get hold of a phase 1 or 2 ECU it will work ok??
is it just a case of unplugging it?? if so where is it located??

yep, phase 1 or very early phase 2

where in the country are you? Maybe some on here is close to you and can lend you a suitable ECU to see if it works...

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-19-CLIO-16-VALVE-ECU-ENGINE-MANAGEMENT-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ4585163967QQcategoryZ10410QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
would this be the offending item??
hoe do i tell if it has an immobiliser built in?

Level 10 User Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 620

i didnt know the ph2 had built in imboilers in the ecus i thoguht they were all key activated from the glove box ?????????????? learn a new thing evryday

Level 10 User Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 620

hey mate u just rang me lol soz i juss checked with the last owner as hes a mate and it is a a ph1 ECU dude soz the guy who i bought the car off had put a ph2 lump in but used the original ECU

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

tc3nitro wrote:

just need to clarify this will deffo sort the problem as i think i am going to invest my money in this!

Hey, we're not promising, it could be lots of things, but that's the most obvious one

tc3nitro wrote:

he says his car did not have an immobiliser is this right or do all ph 2 have immobiliser?

No, the very early phase 2s dont have the built in ECU one. I couldnt tell you exactly when the change happened, Wicked Neo might know. How does your mate know if his car has the ECU immobiliser or not?

tc3nitro wrote:

thanks for all your help and the quick replys looks like i will be a retro renault regular with any look and your good guidance!

Cool, we try our best...see you about!

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

the car is in leeds !

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

tc3nitro wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RENAULT-19-CLIO-16-VALVE-ECU-ENGINE-MANAGEMENT-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ4585163967QQcategoryZ10410QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
would this be the offending item??
hoe do i tell if it has an immobiliser built in?

Yes, that's the thing. Wicked Neo knows the ECU code numbers which you can make out on the casing in the picture, he could tell you what car it's from and if it has the immobiliser, I don't know, sorry

Level 1 User Joined: 27 Oct 2005 Posts: 28

thanks !
is there anyone off here who lives in leeds who could lend me an ECU??
also what whould i be paying for it???
i think its an exclusive is motd til aug and tax runs out on monday!
oh and he has a spare set of alloys for it!

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

i have an ECU off a ph2 k reg as well Wink