Project "Silver Streak"

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I can't see it being more reliable than a 16v if your trying to get that sort of power out of it. Just look at Chets turbo efforts Laughing

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if its done properly then theres no reason why it won't be reliable.

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So why wont a 150bhp Energy be quicker than a 16V then Chris?

Edit: What were your reasons for considering turbocharging the Energy?

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because a turbo car is no match for an NA car of the same output, the NA car will be superior.

Because it would still be a 1.4 thus Â£110 road tax and its something to do and I was gonna convert to MPI as well. But I was also hoping to sell the setup to many a ned with a clio but theres no market for it.

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Chris H wrote:

because a turbo car is no match for an NA car of the same output, the NA car will be superior.

So with One-Off Throttle Bodies vs. One-Off Turbo Conversion, the TB's win?

Mad Pierre also said to me on the Gumball that if I was thinking of turbo'ing the Energy then I may as well turbo the 1.6 Energy instead?

Is there anything to be said for a 172 Engine Conversion?

I don't know what to do guys. Open to sensible suggestions. And no I'm NOT changing the car.

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plenty to be said for the 172 engine conversion, but you need a mk1 172 engine as its cable throttle, plus all the looms, the ECU (which you have to fool into think the aircon, airbags etc are there), non return fuel system, custom exhaust manifold etc etc.

Altogether quite involved, and something which I have got quite a long way into researching.

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Gentle Ben wrote:

Chris H wrote:

because a turbo car is no match for an NA car of the same output, the NA car will be superior.

So with One-Off Throttle Bodies vs. One-Off Turbo Conversion, the TB's win?

Mad Pierre also said to me on the Gumball that if I was thinking of turbo'ing the Energy then I may as well turbo the 1.6 Energy instead?

Is there anything to be said for a 172 Engine Conversion?

I don't know what to do guys. Open to sensible suggestions. And no I'm NOT changing the car.

Not exactly, a 1.4 TB setup with a narrow power band trying to make 160bhp will not be as friendly as the same engine making that output turboed. However an energy turbo at 160bhp will be easily beaten by a 16V with 160bhp.

The 1.6 is a good base engine as it has MPI etc but you still need to get a programmable ECU and then map it.

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Is remapping a programmable ECU an easy thing to do then?

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if you know what your doing yes.

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Oh it's all confusing me now. I've no idea what to do for the best! I think a Williams lump is probably the best compromise, with a fair bit low down and scope for good top end.

What gains are realistic from a turbo 1.4 Energy, given that the turbo C1J can produce ridiculous bhp?

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depends on what you want! You could get it to produce 1000bhp but engine would be dead within minutes.

Could have 100bhp and last 4 million smiles.

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I want to be able to do this!

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do what?

A lada could over take you.

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Overtake like them 172's!

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liek I said a lada with a run up could overtake like them. Its hardly anything special from the vid unless they were doing 150+ which they ain't.

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They didn't need a run-up to do that though, all they had to do was put their feet down and that's me left choking on their exhaust fumes! Anyway it's not so much the speed, it's the ease at which they got to that speed without so much as changing gear!

You know as well as I do Chris, my 19 will never be capable of that kind of performance. I want to know the best value for money performance modification or engine conversion that will get my 19 performing like that. Hence, one of the rational options I drew from that vid was a possible 172 engine conversion which I speculated about yesterday.

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Look, this vid is a better example.

Pierre and Chunk filmed this but it doesn't make a difference because they were in a 1.4 Energy as well:

Video

What's the cheapest way to get my car doing what Will's Rover did there?

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by his rover I suppose!

Cheapest way to more power 16V engine, dearer way to a tad more, williams engine, dearer way to another bit more 172 engine, dearer way again to maybe much more power but limited engine life 1.4 turbo

best option in all honesty new car

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Not an option! You know how much 19's are worth. Yeah I could sell up, but where would that leave me? Â£300 richer and no car, a car that I've spent a good few thousand on keeping it maintained and looking half decent. I've done the sums a thousand times, engine conversion is cheapest way.

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just stick a god damn 16v in it! Twisted Evil

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I've decided now that I'm gonna stick a Williams engine in there come the time! Very Happy