Renault 19 16V Sedan: Phase 1, 2 or ... phase 3??

Level 7 User Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 230

I know the differences atleast in big lines of the phase ones and twos. But what is really the difference between phase 2 and 3?!

Thus far I found out this:

Headlights using 2x H1 instead of a H4 etc.
Dashboard is different (nice round dash instead of the less round phase 1 and 3 combination of the phase 2)
Possibility to get leather, ABS and Headrests in the back

Anyone know more?

Airbags in phase 2 and 3 - Wicked Neo
Yellow fogs until early '93 after that white ones - Ade

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

yeah swoopy dashboard on the ph3 looks good.
they also changed the dash switches.

late Ph2 & ph3 also has airbag in the steering wheel

ABS, Leather and rear headrests are on the Ph2's as well

Site Subscriber Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 2317

My 95 TD has an airbagged wheel, I quite like em

Site Subscriber Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 350

my 94 td has ABS and head rests in the back..no leather, air bag or elec mirrors tho

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

i thought all LHD p2s had swoopy dash....i am a non-believer in p3s

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

i used to drive a 1999 make renault 19 with the bloody swoopy dash , comparing 2 different dashes ,i would prefer the old style one everyday .
swoopy dash just deosnot look right in a renault 19
and that ABS steering wheel looks very ordinary, i like the proper 16v steering wheel .

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

your 1999 swoopy dashed renault , LHD or RHD ?

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

it was in turkey neo , yes it was left hand drive mate k7m 1.6 engine with 90bhp. they produced them till the end of 2000 over there .
shame there are no valvers mind

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

damn - i want a rhd swoopy dash lol

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

dont exist neo...or at least we have yet to see any evidence they did...

visor...the headlight bit is just s difference between the 16v and std models...

Site Subscriber Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 2317

We should start a competition...prizes for the first person to spot a RHD swoopy dash!

Level 7 User Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 230

LOL @ swoopy dash in here Smile

Jonnyboy, But there are more valvers with the single component headlights then there are with the double component headlights in holland and even when i asked philips and osram for light for the specific type of car 16V, everywhere we looked said it needed H4 but when we searched for my specific number plate in the dutch car database we found out mine needed H1's

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

which bit r u talking about?

r u sayin valvers over there have the std non-quad type headlights?

Level 7 User Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 230

Yup some of them do and some of them don't and i don't know why? The national car database says that 19 16v's need H4 lights which is quite weird if ya ask me cus when looking up my license plate in that same national db it gives a reply that i need H1

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

i believe (or have been led to believe) the p1 16vs used a h4 and a h1, so u had double full beams...whereas the p2 16v just had the h1s...or whatever they are...ie one for dipped, one for full..

Newbie Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 17

Xvisor wrote:

White fogs instead of yellow?? Or was that a buyers choice?

Phase 2 cars from 1992 and early 1993 had yellow fogs. After that, Renault switched to white fogs. So the change to white fogs happened well before the Phase 3 was introduced.

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

Yep my 93 manufactured phase 2 has white fogs, but my 92 manufactured phase 2 has yellows...

Site Subscriber Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 502

The French changed from yellow to white headlamps at the end of 1992 I think. In the headlamps it was just the bulb to change. The fogs had yellow glass so if you want to change to white you had to change the whole lamp. Mine car, Ph 2 from 1992, has yellow fogs. It was one of the first Ph 2's.

Site Subscriber Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 502

Just been driving the car. My dash and swiches ect. are the same as the pic above - Ph 2 -.

Threw out the Ren steering wheel as it's only half real leather, sweaty thing. Got an Isotta D shape leather wheel I had in a Clio Baccara before ( the Clio leather wheel has some sort of varnish on it which wore off ). Not the same hub 19 - Clio.

Also got some Isotta ally pedal plates to replace the soggy rubber ones.

The wife's Peugeot 206 2.0l S16 has a good wheel and pedals as standard but the seats have little side support. Girls car.

Newbie Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 17

Are you interested in the differences between the various phase Energies or just the 16 valve?

I can tell you that in the UK/Ireland market, phase 2 Energies had 165/70 R13 wheels and tyres. Whereas Phase 3 cars had 175/65 R14. The wheel sizes may have been different in mainland Europe though. Another change was the upholstery, it was more luxurious in the phase 3. The phase 3 upholstery can be seen in one of the pics in this thread.

Even after the phase 3 came in, Renault still found time to make yet more changes to the spec. before the Megane was introduced. These cars could be called "phase 4" Smile

They were sold in 1996 and had Energy engines, rear disc brakes + ABS, different upholstery to the phase 3 and were badged "S" instead of RN, RT etc.

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

Ade wrote:

Even after the phase 3 came in, Renault still found time to make yet more changes to the spec. before the Megane was introduced. These cars could be called "phase 4" Smile

They were sold in 1996 and had Energy engines, rear disc brakes + ABS, different upholstery to the phase 3 and were badged "S" instead of RN, RT etc.

Interesting. Never seen one of those S models...