Ph1 or Ph2 R19?

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

Whats the good and bad points between them both?

Which would you go for as a first time valver?

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

oh lord, you are opening a huge can of worms with that question lol

The Ph1 is the better of the two in terms of handling, but the ph2 gives a slightly comfier ride
The Ph2 tends to rust easier than the Ph1 due to change of grade of metal with the change of phase.
The Ph1 is slightly faster due to it being lighter than the ph2

as to looks, thats your prefrence, i prefer the style of the ph2 over the ph1, i also prefer the placement of the electric window switches, on the ph2 they are on the doors where as on the ph1 they are in the centre of the dash.

i have owned five ph1 19 16v (3 hatchs and 2 chammys) and only the one ph2 19 16v (hatch) and i prefer the ph2 over the ph1

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Get a late 1992 ph2, ph1 shell with ph2 goodies. The ultimate Cool

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

eh? i was under the impression that the switch happened during late phase 1 production, i.e. all phase 2s were phase 2 shells, but the later phase 1s were modified phase 2 shells (headlight mounts ground off etc)

course, i might be just be chatting sh1t

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

I was under the impression it was the other way around i.e. ph1 mounts ground off etc

Hmmm

Ph2 for me anyway

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

I was like you chet, not so long ago... but now i have been seduced by the dark side.... the phase 1 hatch has got me now.

I think it's the sheer crapness of the interior, even worse than the phase 2 in its creaky orange-illuminated plastic squareness that I find so alluring. Those hideous phase 1 indicator/wiper stalks and the general phase 1 switchgear... so utterly bollocks, and yet so endearing!

Site Subscriber Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 589

What a question lol Laughing

be interesting to read the replies,

i think the ph1 is more in your face than the ph2, the ph2 has some of the egdes smoothed off and it looks abit more grown up,

Iv owned both and my ph2 was abit more forgiving going over the bumps than my ph1 was, they say the ph1 has better handling but although the ph2 may have been "softer" i cant say i really noticed much difference between the 2 as far as handling was concerned, they where both great,

IMO colour is another factor id take into concern, a white ph1 is better looking than a white ph2, also red ph1's look better than a red ph2, but a black ph2 hatch looks the best Razz

i remember when i owned my ph1 that i did'nt like the window switches being on the centre dash, but i actually think its cool now, and iv also started to think the ph1 cloth seats look the best, more "retro" i supouse, if i was to buy a ph1 again id not put leather in it and leave the standard seats in there ,

if i went to buy another 1916v i think id find it hard to choose between the both, i have ph1 days and ph2 days Laughing

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Hanna was following me in her tungy ph2 earlier and the car looked savage in the rear view mirror.

Black ph1's are lovely tho.

I think white ph2's are bloody gorgeous roddy! Only ph1 chammys are nice in white

I like JB's red chammy

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

I don't agree with the rusting thing either, I don't believe the phase 2 rusts any worse than the phase 1.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

ph2 shells were introduced around late 91. Most late J plates are ph2 shells. the white chammy has a ph2 shell. It was very crudely modified, the brackets etc were ground off after it was painted etc. Its very nasty tbh.

ph1 metal is different you can see and feel it, you can even measure it with calipers.

A ph2 with a scrape is more likely to rust than a ph1.

Ph2 is let down by its looks. the ph1 at least looks something the special, the ph2 just looks like a 1.4 with a bonnet vent plonked on it.

Ph2 is a smoother ride than a ph1, the extra weight or something must help damp things.

Ph2 is a better car to not attract attention, the ph1 gets noticed, the chamade gets noticed more than the hatch as well in ph1 form.

personal choice at the end of the day. If you can drive one of each.

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

I'll agree with the looks thing.

Although I don't think the phase 1 looks 'better' than the phase 2 or vice versa, it does have more of an impact.

The p2 is easier on the eyes, whereas the p1 just grabs your attention and holds on.

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

For me it will be between a 3dr ph1 hatch or a ph2 black chamy.

I am not to fussy about colours, but i'd like something other than white, like the ph2 metallic blue colour.

It's just finding the damn things, I keep forgetting that there are a few for sale on RR as I keep checking Auto Trader and some are going for over Â£1000 with 120k+ on them, knowing that mileage is not a huge factor, but i'd prefer lower than 90k if poss.

Chris - I will try and have a drive in both phases if I can as it seems like a good idea to see which I like, as i've never been in a 1916v Sad

So I will have to go for some test drives when buying.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

only 90k 16V i have saeen this century is my white chammy! most will have 100k plus, even the m plate execs

youngest car is now 10 years old after all!

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

I spose it doesnt really matter, could allways have the top end rebuilt and the bottom if it's really that bad.

I am looking for a standard one (as standard as poss)

There are a few on Auto Trader with 70/80k on them, but that's at Â£1200 mark. Shocked

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

maybe I should ask 1200 for the white one then.

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

'for sale' at Â£1200 is not the same as 'sold' at Â£1200 Wink

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

Could do.

It was Â£1200 for a 94' ph2 1916v in blue with 70/80ish on it Wink

As yours will soon be mint then you could get more if it's a ph1 and the right person is looking for it.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

trouble is no one looks for cars in the run up to christmas! Everyones skint.

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

I wont be, infact it will be the opposite for me! Very Happy

. Thats why I want one for January as it will be less.

Level 10 User Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 570

This is verrrrry nice!

On Ebay now Very Happy

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

i would not be very fussed on the milage tbh ,there is a silly phycological relief that people get when they buy a valver with less than 70-80 k on the clock even though they are aware of the fact that a car can be clocked etc.

on the other hand the condition of the engine ,hidden bits of the bodywork etc will be a gamble anyway unless you can find a seller that would allow you to test his car for a few days before you decide to buy Smile

i would personally never buy a car from a trader ,the prices are doubled ,why not buy from ebay or freeads if you are determined ????