Dialogys

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

aye

Level 2 User Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 54

here's another way just copy dialogys folder off CD 1 and 2 into program files click yes to all when it starts moaning about copying over files and you need quicktime pro and go to custom install and make sure quicktime for java is selected.

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

OMG its worked...

AND i tell you i did no fancy tricks...

i installed cd1....inserted cd2 ran the install 2 times....no restart...and it just worked!

what i did different this time was use quicktime latest version off the net...

from here.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/

no fucin about installin 20 times....no playing with bats or other nocturnal mammals......it simply worked!!!!

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

now you'll be disapointed at how crap it really is

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

well i have had it longer than you i think...its just been uninstalled for a while.....

Level 6 User Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 155

Yeh its bloody quicktime that is causing huwwatkins problems as well as seemingly everyone elses - if installing the newest version of Qucktime works, then that will be the easy fix. Just have to make sure that you either do a full install, or do a custom install and make sure you select the "Quicktime for Java" option from the list of installable bits. If you have a slow internet connection, you can just download the version from http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/ which will only make you download the bits you actually need rather than everything (like the standalone version does).

However, on the off chance that this doesn't always work...

The problem appears to be down to Quicktime being a muppet and not always installing its Java file to the right location. The file in question is called "QTJava.zip". If you do a search of your computers hard disk drives for that file and it doesn't exist, it means quicktimes installer is not installing Java support. In this case, make sure you do a full install of quicktime, or a custom install as described above, and see if dialogys runs afterwards.

If you do find a file with that name on your computer somewhere, and dialogies is giving you the small-window-in-the-corner-that-is-blank-white-when-maximised, then the chances are that that file is in the wrong place.

If you do a search for a file called "rt.jar", you should usually only have one copy of it on your computer (unless you have lots of different versions of Java installed). If you find this file, note down the folder its in/the pathname eg. for my system, this file is at:

C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0\lib

but this will most likely be different in some way on individual systems. The key thing is that the path should end with the \lib bit, otherwise something wierder is going on.

So now you have to go to this folder, easiest way is to use my computer or windows explorer depending on what you call it. Once you have opened the folder that has the rt.jar file in it, you should see a bunch of other files with .jar at the end, and also a bunch of subfolders.

One of these subfolders is called "ext". Open this subfolder. This is the place you want to have the QTJava.zip file. So now use cut and paste or whatever to move the QTJava.zip file from wherever it is to this folder.

With a bit of luck, when you start dialogys, it might actually work Smile

If it doesn't, well then you have to start arsing about with environment settings, which is relatively easy in WinXP but I can't remember how you do it on older windows versions.

I'd be interested to hear what peoples experiences are with these solutions - obviously if installing a newer/better version of quicktime than the one on the dialogys cds works, then that is easily the best way of fixing the problems, so I would recommend everyone try that first like the_chunkster suggested.

Cheers
Alex

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

my link is the standalone one that only downloads the player and not all the rest of the crap...like itunes...

all i can say is after using that one, installed custom with all options, it worked....no messing with anything...just cd1 then 2 and 2 again. as per the original instructions.

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

received the dialogys today ,i cant work it out either .there are 3 cd s 1-setup/tutorial 2-disc1 3-disc2

after installing all and clickin on the dialogys icon to run it gives a "fatal application error"
did any of you figure out how to install this stuff properly ?

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

read the fucking thread!

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

i have done everything it says on here ,every different verison nearly .
quick time and javarun time installs properly but when it comes to adobe after few seconds it gives "CORRUPT CABINET FILE" warning . installing the 2 cd s with the missing adobe gives me the small window on top trying to run the program and there is nothing on the window when i maximize it,bloody white and blank Evil or Very Mad

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

got the latest version of quicktime like i said?

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

yes i got the quick time 6.5 mate,no joy .
i get this error message everytime i try to install ADOBE my problem has got to do with it

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

You need to start over.

Uninstall dialogy, uninstall Adobe Acrobat Reader, uninstall Quicktime Player and Java Runtime Player.
also delete the directorys they were in.

The software relys heavily on the versions included with the cd.

Insert the CD marked Setup/educational.
It should autorun, when its loaded just quit out of it unless of course u want to look thru the tutorials on it.

Goto My Computer, then RIGHT click on the cd drive the cd is in, and use the EXPLORE option.
Click on the ENGLISH folder then go into the installers folder.
in there are 3 more folders which contain the version of adobe, quicktime and java 2 runtime player the software needs.
Install of these from the setup.exe's.
When doing QUICKTIME, chose the custom set up option and check all the boxes.

Ok now when you have done these remove the setup/educational cd and put in data disc 1, run the program on it called INSTALLPC.
follow the prompts.
Repeat the same with Data Disc 2.
once completed do a reboot of your pc.
On the desktop should now be an icon called DIALOGSYS MPF.
This runs the software HOWEVER this does not always work due to conflicts with other software.
To run, go to My Computer / C (local disc) / program files / dialogsys.
double click dialogsys.bat. (if you do not see the extension .bat then you need to show file extensions, to do this click on TOOLS at the top of the folder you are in, then folder options, this opens a new window, click the VIEW tab and u should see various options, scroll down until you see
HIDE FILE EXTENSIONS FOR KNOWN FILE TYPES - untick the box, click APPLY and then click OK)
This should open a dos box on your desktop and then it runs the software.

During installation make sure you dont have any other programs running such as internet explorer, winamp, outlook etc.

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

thanks a lot for your time and information mate ,i tried it over and over again last night ,could not figure out .
but will definitely have a go on this step by step guide today.
cheers

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

note when mine wouldnt install it was because i was using the version of quicktie inc on the cd....worked as soon as i swapped to the later one i downloaded....

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

done what wicked neo axactly said today

uninstalled everything today and started with the cd where it has the quick time ,java and adobe in it . downloaded those 3 progs .

and installed the 1st cd of dialogys once thats finished the "dialogys mpf " icon comes up on the desktop and installed the 2nd cd then ,finished and took the cd out clicked on the icon ,the minimised window appears on left top of the screen and its blank . went into program files done what is needed to see the bat file ,yes it did come up .clicked on it , a black screen comes up with what huwwatkins said comes up on his pc . so there is no joy .

JONNYBOY, did you install the newer version of quicktime while the dialogys and all the rest of the programs from the cd were installed on the pc or did you have to uninstall and start over again ?

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

cant remember tbh...

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

hurray it works
all i have done is to install quicktime 6.5 version and click on the dialogys icon .
cheers all

FCS Event Manager Joined: 04 Jan 2005 Posts: 3680

Glad to hear it's all working, mine installed fine using quicktime thats on the cd's

That was on Win XP Pro machine, what OS is your PC using schakal ?

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

i got millenium edtn mate ,may be thats what was causing the trouble Question

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

yuck ME