Mandella

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

since its political week here in retro ren is anyone else pissed off hearing about how great Nelson Mandella is?

Everyone int he world seems to forget why he went to prison.

Why did he go to prison you ask?

Well he bombed a train station killing innocent members of th epublic including women and children.

But still hes an international hero.

Fair enough hes sorted a lot of things out in his homeland but his past has been brushed under the carpet by not only him but everyone else int he world.

They say he was imprisoned for too long and it was hard etc etc fecking right it was, if I went out and bombed the local station and killed your family I'm sure you'd want me jailed for life to.

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i too am a little puzzled by this man's mother teresa like supposed saintliness.

His and Winnie's burning tyre necklaces have been totally forgotten it seems.

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no opinions then?

technically he went to prison for sabotage and treason.

he and his wee mates commited over 200 acts of sabotage/terrorism within 2 years, mainly power supplies government buildings etc, actual crimes were tryign to overthrow the government via violence to turn it into a dictatorship.

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good stuff Neal, you seem to know somethign about him, 99% of the population think he was wrongly jailed for no reason and left to rot.

His terrorist/sabatour mate got the nobel peace prize in 84'! How does that work?

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Well the lefties would have you believe that since mandela and the ANC took over, racial problems have disappeared. In reality thats about as far from the truth as it could be. Black on black violence has exploded, with the ANC at the head of it all.

It's the blinkered attitude of people who want to be seen to be supporting a good cause, but not stopping to investigate whats really going on that causes Mandela to be revered.

Or as I like to call it... university student mentality.

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yep, they used to blame white folk for racial beatings, they seem to forget that most crimes on black people and done by black people, look at america and its backed up even further.

But the whole fact of the matter is white on black violence is reduced and thats what matters, the rest can be hidden.

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nelson mandela I believe the saying is one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I have several friends who are white south africans and the general consencus with them is he is a stabelising influance. read into that what you will, I understand from what I'm told that a lot of the trouble in sa is due to organised crime gangs comming in from other parts of africa.

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i dont like the sound of burning tyre necklaces....then again i dont like the sound of anything that goes on in africa...ive read a few books, accounts from soldiers etc....all sounds horrible.....

anyone seen that film tears of the sun....bruce willis...in modern-ish day africa....good but harsh film...

i just dont like to think about what goes on....

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yes a stabilising influence, in the same way that the Kray twins were in the East End.

Are the Krays saints as well?

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or Arthur Thompson like I mentioned in th eother post.

Us Glaswegians went down to london to sort things out and the krays were scared of thompson and they had to ask him to calm down killing londoners.

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I believe the saying is "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter".

And no the krays were not saints, but i think maybe comparing somebody who was fighting against a system that barred you from walking on the same side of the street as a white man, you couldn't go to the same bars as a white man, same busses you couldn't vote etc is like comparing chalk and cheese the krays were thugs only interested in themselves, were as I will never be able to understand a system that bars you from doing the most simple of things on the basis of the colour of your skin. maybe he was a terrorist but at least I can be thankfull I was never born into that system and so therefore I can never truly understand his motivation.

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sorry if I sounded like I was going into one.

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I can understand his motive for doing it but instead of killing innocents and civil servants he and his mates could have popped the boss and then taken over africa that way.

Age made him reasonable I suppose and maybe he does realise what he did was wrong etc.

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

ok, my analogy was a poor one i'll admit, but you get my meaning. I don't see how someone guilty of such horrific crimes can later be loved the way Nelson is, regardless of how sorry he is.

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indeed, the problem i have is everyone thinks hes smashing and the crimes he did have been totally brushed away.

if everyone knew about what he did and the fact he was now the boss and it was accepted that would be ok.

Same with arafat himself, hes been a nasty boy in the past but now everything over there was semi settled.

Level 5 User Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 112

He could have done a lot more to fight the AIDS epedemic in Africa too..

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Politicians lie. They are the main reason why the world is the way it is.

Level 5 User Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 107

Thing is (and note that I am not in anyway defending him) the Sharpeville massacre had a huge impact on black african revolutionary motivation, especially when the gov't then banned all black political parties.

You kinda have to wonder how else (other than through force) they were ever going achieve change.