Need Good Advice on fitting F7R into R19??

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

lo peeps,

I'm have a R19 with 144K on and the release bearing is definately screw'd i think it has already colapsed as it screeching and scraping now, off the road from today me thinks,

I am wanting to put a Clio williams engine in and have located one with gearbox, but the guy wants Â£1200 no offers, 50K on the clock, inc of delivery and VAT.

This is a shit load of money, can anyone give me some advice, as to what my options are, i.e. rebuild maybe, if so can any recommend where, or

Has anyone here actually done this conversion, and can tell me exactly what needs to be done, I have heard from different people, I need to use the engine mounts from R19, and she will slot straight in Engine and box that is from the willy, also that i need to use the Power Steering pump from the R19, and alternator from R19, although i heard that the williams has a lighter alternator and i can actually use this but not sure again, also that i can use the exhaust manifold from the willy as it tubular, does anyone know if this will connect straight on to the downpipe of the R19,l also heard that i need to use the inlet manifold from R19, and obviously have the ECU rechipped, also the pipes are a little different on the Aux water pump and it needs to be secured further up, is there anything else i need to do, or be aware of??

I'm also thinking of turbo'in it after, and thought a turbo would be better on the 2L Williams anyway.

These engines are becoming rare now, I have asked around ALOT of breakers, renault breakers etc etc, and have only located 2 one was engine only for Â£800 (80K), and this other at Â£1200 (50K with gearbox).

If anyone knows where any other might be then please say?

Regards

Kev

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

I answered on RSC

Spammer Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 5717

thats a mint valver mate ,have you had it resprayed or something ?

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

ello elvis...jimbo has done the conversion before....you may catch him on here now and again if ur lucky

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

nice one jonnyboy, I just need to chat to someone who has first hand of the conversion,

yeah i did have the arches done, new front wing, new sill, rear panel and the rest painted while i was there, somone smaked the back in traffic so they paid which was nice Smile

so with the fact the she's in such good condition i think the conversion is worth it, and as i said, i'm definately thinking of turbo'in her also.

-=Kev=-

Site Subscriber Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 2317

Chet's the man to talk to about a turbo F7P, likes fixing bodged projects.....so I hear.... Wink

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

off the subject slightly are williams clio driveshafts the same R19 Phase 2's??

Site Subscriber Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 2317

No, 19 shafts are longer.

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

what about can phase 1 driveshafts be used on phase 2's, phase 1's are a wider tube, but as i understand it they are the same length?

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

williams driveshafts are the same as 19s....its the std 16v clio that has shorter ones.

ph1 and ph2 19 driveshafts can be mixed.

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

ECU: so i need to get the 19 ECU re-chipped for clio willy, a guy in Brummy has said he'll do it for me, stage 1 apparently, is this right, i',m not sure myself??

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

heheh 'stage 1'

Chris will like that...

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

lol @ neal, i was just thinkin that

Best thing to do is switch all the bits over from your old engine, just use the bare head and block from the williams.

The 19 exhaust manifold supposedly flows better than a willy one so keep it.

I think theres some issues with starter motors so jimbo is probably the one to ask about that.

Ebay all the other gubbins to get some money back

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

the willy starter is smaller (and sounds like a proper starter too!) but whether that means a 1.8 starter can fit or not i cannot remember.

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

Chet: and by doing this I don't have to update the ECU at all?, as I heard it changes fueling to bring it inline with the valva size, and CC etc on the willy.?

Is this right?

Mr Quoter-vator Joined: 16 Feb 2004 Posts: 7405

easiest thing to do would be to get a willy ECU with the engine and use that....

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

right kewl, cause i had just had a chat with Prima and they said use the ECU and loom froim the willy....

I'm starting to become very confused.

Can someone just explain to me, why would it be neccessary if the engines are so similar to use the loom from the R19, ECU from the R19?
if the willy engine carry's both

-=Kev=-

Forum Moderator Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Posts: 7432

because theres a lot more to the loom than just going from the engine to the ECU!

the whole car's electrics are all integrated into it

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

ok thanks

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

this is what my whole stupid person post was about, you ask a Q I give the right answer then you go and get other answers, very good.

Also the 350 quid megane lump george was talking about I told him about, scrappy I know was selling box, engine, engine loom ECU and the BIC for Â£350.

Level 6 User Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 134

Ok Chris, whatever.