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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:55 pm |
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Right then, as some of you are aware i'm makin a 2.0 16v lump from an F7P head with a F3R block.
With both engines stripped to check compatibility some "annoyin" differences were found.
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Heres a 1.8 head with the F3R headgasket in place, as you can see it doesn't quite match up
Same bit of the head with the gasket pulled back a bit
The other side
And with the gasket back
Heres a pic of the F3R block
And the F7P block, you can see the differences
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Neal
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:57 pm |
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Can you get a photo of the F3R block with the F7P gasket on it? |
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JB
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:59 pm |
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my first impressions are:
block up the two oil ways on either end....they will pool up a bit in the head but not a lot i dont think...
also on the end with the cap fil the btm with a bit of JB weld to block it off and then add a boss/tube to the cap, so that a hos can be jubilee'd to it and let it drain into the breather below...cant do that so easy the other side tho...
just a few ideas |
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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:02 pm |
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| Neal 19 16v wrote: |
| Can you get a photo of the F3R block with the F7P gasket on it? |
Can do, watch this space [ ] |
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gtg60
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:04 pm |
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Yeah, what's a 2.0 16v headgasket look like  |
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Neal
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:08 pm |
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hmmm actually i have an F7P head gasket here next to me 
it does look like JB is right, the end oilways will need to be blocked up. |
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Neal
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:09 pm |
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| Yeah, what's a 2.0 16v headgasket look like |
Exactly the same as 1.8 16v head gasket  |
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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:21 pm |
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Right, pics of F3R block with F7P gasket:
From the top:
Underneath from the flywheel side:
Underneath from belt end
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Neal
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:26 pm |
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Im going with JB...its got to be block off the end oilways hasnt it?
or block them off with JB weld, then drill + tap the JB weld to accept a threaded pipe, then fit a hose like JB says to drain to...i dunno...somewhere. |
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JB
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:32 pm |
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well the two big bosses stickig out the block are breather apparently so they should drain into the sump...."T" into them
also, the first (outer) square hole....if u imagine sticking a drill straight up it the wall u would first go thru leads to the oil way that drains out the square hole next to it....so u cud connect the two to drain out the same pipe. |
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BenR
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:23 pm |
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who told you that you can run an F3 block?
Its the internals which you can use instead of sourcing a diesel crank as its the same, but you'll still need pistons. |
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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:32 pm |
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You and chris did, in a thread on here lol
I have forged williams pistons to go in it |
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BenR
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:35 pm |
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stick that crank in your P! |
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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:37 pm |
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And all the associated grinding and boring? Thats what i wanted to avoid |
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BenR
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:52 pm |
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Chet T16
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Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:03 pm |
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Chris H
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:14 am |
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to be fair Ben and I did say there may be problems.
You can block the oil ways off and drill like JB said.
Ben's suggestion of use the crank and pistons in the 1.8 is the most technically correct.
You need to get the 2l block honed and maybe bored anyway to accept the forged pistons. |
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stan
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Wed Mar 16, 2005 2:20 pm |
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Ben's suggestion of use the crank and pistons in the 1.8 is the most technically correct.
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But Chets is more unique. And in my opinion no less technical.
Chet u getting the crank lightened? |
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Chet T16
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Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:06 pm |
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What exactly is the definition of 'technically correct'!
I'm gonna look into gettin the head modded, if thats a no go then i'll see about using the 1.8 block
I hadn't planned on lightenin anythin, why? |
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JB
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Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:36 pm |
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get it balanced at least! make a nice difference no doubt.... |
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Chet T16
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Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:55 pm |
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Diffence perhaps but the thing isn't gonna rev half as high as the 1.8 |
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