Now its just taking the piss

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

Right, so... i buy the 19 16v with a snapped cambelt, i do the cambelt and replace the bent valves, so... i put it back together, get it all running sweet, then it kept getting a flat battery, had it runing last night to move it,so went out today to jump start it, and it just wont turn atall, so... take it up the road and try and bumpstart it, but, all it does is just slip the clutch, the engine will not turn, ive got a breaker bar and a jack handle on the bottom pulley, and it still wont turn, not backwards or forwards! i dont know whats wrong and this car is beggining to try my patience, its one thing after another.
any help, or advice much appreciated

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

take the plugs out and see if it will turn then and tell me what comes out of the plug holes if it does turn

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

plugs are out, cams are out so all the valves are closed,just incase it had slipped and was jammed against one of the valves. still nothing, will not turn at all.with the bar or on its own steam

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

its fecked then.

maybe sopmethiongs jamming the flywheel

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

not what i wanted to hear! is it possible to get the engine out without dropping the subframe?

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

yes you lift it out.

Or if you don;t have a hoist/can;'t access one jack it up as high as possible, stick a load of bricks under th esump etc then drop the car down.

Not done it that way for a while but it works!

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

Right, well, hopefully i can borrow an engine hoist from work, thats if i can be arsed to do it, all this car is is a money pit at the moment, its really pissing me off!! i'll take the engine out and rebuild the bottom end as its out, aswell as a new clutch!

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

Has anyone else had the same problem?
ifso what was wrong with it?
how was it sorted?
Many thanks for any replies

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

when the engine has locked solid its normally either thrown a rod, clutch has blown apart an jammed it or hydro locked.

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

right, well ive checked all the valves are intact, the pistonts are all at the same height, i.e 1+ 4 are at the top, and 2+3 are at the bottom, so this rules out con rods does it not? its not hydrolocked as the head is off, so what options does this leave me with?

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Take the sump off and remove your 13mm spanner?

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

LOL

nah, i havent left any tools in there from when i rebuilt it the first time, im beggining to think big end shells/main bearings?

Site Subscriber Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Posts: 2317

dumb question, but can you get the pistons to move up and down while the head is off?

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

nope, the whole engine wont move using the bottom pulley, and i dont want to push the pistons down with force as the engine has had alot of performance work that i have discovered on dismantling it.like stage 3 cams, etc.
so its more than likely got lightened pistons etc.

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

All you can do is pull the sump off, tbh you'd be better off takin the whole engine out as it sounds like its gonna need to come out anyway

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

well what i was going to do was take it into work and use the two post ramp whip the sump off and have a look at the shells, is there any other suggestions other than shells???

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Sump is a bit of an arseache with the engine in but it can be done

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

i havent looked at taking the sump off before, so, with me dad (ex mechanic) and he cant think whats wrong with it.)we should be able to get it done in a day hopefully, but, if anyone has got any other things to check before i do this will be much appreciated.
Dan

Retroholic Joined: 12 Feb 2004 Posts: 5685

Sump off is the least you're gonna have to do to have a deeper look so have a peep there an report back

Level 7 User Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 230

Check if you've got the black bottom end (steel) or the silver one (alu, i think) Atleast the black one has a construction fault where it doesn't have oil chambers so when driving through corners the big end bearings will be without oil for a split second and that can kill them quite easily and causing an awfull lot of damage!! Or maybe they already replaced the big end bearings once with renaults newer model that don't have the retaining stuff on them.

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

thing is, its been driven 2wice since it was first rebuilt!! im only 16, so i cant drive it, and its only been driven after ive finished some work onit, and its being tested.

they were less than 5 minute runs apart from one, where it was taken on a 10 mile journey from work where i finshed the job onit, to home thats the longest its had.also it has been stalling quite often? i.e when it was on deaccelaration frm the last run, just coming onto the drive, it stalled.would this say anything?