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Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

I was going to swap my tyres, i.e from front to rear, took the just legal one off the passenger side, and i can see the steel belting! i'l post pictures when i take it to have the toyo's from the 19 put on it

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

you don't put worn fronts on the back unless you like to slide into lamposts.

Tyre rotation is an idiots past time.

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

i havent, ive got my toyos put on the fronts

Site Subscriber Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2929

Quote:

was going to swap my tyres, i.e from front to rear,

You were going to though. Razz

Site Subscriber Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 1139

lol

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

true, but i was going to get the toyos done at the weekend

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i was going 2 get toyo's but noticed that the tyres r well dodgy so will hav 2 get a set of part worns on friday as i aint got time or cash 2 waste on 4 new tyres

Site Subscriber Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 2929

so what would the point be to rotate the tyres that you were going to change anyway??

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

because the rear seems a little boaty, so i wanted to see of its the tyres

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

Heres pics

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wahey! like my 17s after the scotland meet Rolling Eyes

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they are well feckered mate

Site Subscriber Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 731

EEk that doesn't look good.

Got new toyos on the front and old pirelli p700s on the back. In the wet the back end tends to try and overtake the front a fair bit on roundabouts but it's better than the other way round and getting understeer everywhere, at least if they are on the front i've got grip to pull me out the corner.

Site Subscriber Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3547

yea, the back end is a bit twitchy in the wet, and the front just pulls hard out of all the corners now, goes round them, not a hint of understeer.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

astrojon007 wrote:

EEk that doesn't look good.

Got new toyos on the front and old pirelli p700s on the back. In the wet the back end tends to try and overtake the front a fair bit on roundabouts but it's better than the other way round and getting understeer everywhere, at least if they are on the front i've got grip to pull me out the corner.

You must be an incredible driver then as theres nowhere near enough power to sort it out on a 19.

I have yet to see any driver race circuit or elsewhere recover from a rear end letting go with bald rear tyres in the wet.

i can only do it in rwd cars, even then if its not got enough power I struggle then to, i find less than 200bhp you don't have the control to catch it.

get some vids up, as you'd be snapped up in a jiffy by any race team if you can recover in the wet like that.

Site Subscriber Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 731

Slow down there a little bit Chris. (Probably me explaining it badly again)

Mine aren't bald on the back they're not as good as the toyos and they are also older with less tread, but not bald.

I'm not talking high speed here either, local roundabouts at 20-30ish is all.

If I go into a roundabout in the wet fairly slow 20-30ish with a bit of lock on then let off the throttle then the back end swings out a bit (As you would expect) So all i have to to is apply the throttle and point the wheels where i wanna go.

If you want I'll wait till it rains again and video me doin it.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

yeah lets see a vid, will be funny if you hit a tree! lol

20 or 30 mile an hour is enough to get it spinning a long way in my experience.

Your pretty stupid to put decent tyres on the front and leave crap ones on the back though. I have gone sideway one th emotor way at 50 because the tyres were worn to within 3/4 mm of bald, only luck has let me recover it, theres never enough power to catch it.

Except like I said for rwd, the old cossie I could hang the tail out on for however long I wanted then bring it back in, no matter what the speed.

Site Subscriber Joined: 29 Mar 2005 Posts: 731

I will post a vid when it rains next mate. Although you know you will get it right every time you do it until you try and film it. Laughing

Thankfully i do it round a certain roundabout so that if i do loose it i've got run off. You can see pretty far off every exit so wet+dusk = slippy and u can c headlights comin.

If I'm playing around doing it I try to be fairly sensible and not take huge risks hence 20-30 on a local roundabout and i dont do it with anyone else in the car.

Also the tyres on the back aren't dangerous as such as they have 3-4 mm of tread BUT they are old and as a tyre dont offer the grip off the toyos.

Also I'd like to mention that you don't need to be an idiot to replace two of the tyres but not the others. It's called skint Laughing

. Basically the fronts were bald so needed replaced. Would have done the rears too but didn't have the money Crying or Very sad

Having said all that you are right, I wouldn't want the back end to come round unexpectedly cos that is gonna catch me out 9 times out of 10 (Probably 10 out of 10 really). But if I'm the one that's inducing the slide in the first place then I can anticipate things and not screw up.

The other thing of course is that RWD can push you round in a slide and therefore keep it goin whereas FWD is going to TRY and pull you in whatever way you point the wheels.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

ytou put the shit tyres on the front and the decent ones on the back, I do it. I can never afford 4 new tyres either. Need to buy some for the megane as well and the new one son the back and crappers on the front until they are all replaced.

fwd doesn't try and do much, normally just spin, you have watched to many austin maxi adverts

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I always thought (and you can't argue with the logic here) 70% Braking, 100% Steering and 100% Power all go through the front wheels so personally that's where I want my grip.

BTW I have no idea what an Austin Maxi is although my boss rekons you are on about the old ad with Russ Swift in the Montego.

Forum Moderator Joined: 02 Mar 2004 Posts: 19978

more braking than that goes to the rear.

The front wheels can do whatever they like what does it matter if the backs not responding?

An open diff on the front end and no grip at the rear means theres little control of the car.

in a slide you can have the throttle floored and spin the steering lock to lock and its not gonna make any difference